OMG UPDATE: Question? Answer.

Updated on Wednesday, October 15

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QUESTION: Anybody have any thoughts on the NDP childcare platform? http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/10/14/ndp_proposes_15aday_national_childcare_program.html

31 comments

  1. They have to get elected first!

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  2. I definitely support more investment in early childhood care

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  3. Was thrilled to see this. It's a good step in the right direction.

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  4. Please let them bring this in. I have 2 kids, and it would cost more to put them in day care for a month than my husband makes once rent and other bills are paid.

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    1. Did you know The Region of Waterloo offers subsidized daycare on a sliding scale? If you secure work or are in school on a part-time or full-time basis you would qualify based on your net income from the previous tax year.

      http://socialservices.regionofwaterloo.ca/en/childrensServices/ChildCareSubsidyCalculator.asp

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  5. Thanks for your help.
    Unfortunately, we've tried that, and can't get in. Between me being in co-op and my husband's job we make just a bit too much. The thing is though, to put my kiddies into day-care costs anywhere from $1,500-$2,000/month which we can't swing (our rent is $1,100/month to put it into perspective). To top it off my husband's work has him gone for up to 11 days at a time, and only home for 2, in order to try and pay for part-time at least. Luckily our oldest starts JK next September which will bring potential day care costs down. I really can't wait to graduate, and enter the work-force which will hopefully balance us out a bit more.

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    1. Sorry that was meant for 4a. Apparently I suck at posting. :-/

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    2. Wow. I just reviewed everything again, and we would qualify for some sort of subsidy, which would definitely help us out. Ty sooo much. :)

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    3. Yep, people are usually surprised that even though they have decent income they still can qualify for a percentage of child care to be covered. There isn't a wait list night now so it's a good time to apply!

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    4. I know! I applied yesterday. :)

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  6. I wish voters took the NDP more seriously. I don't like to align or associate myself with any political party in an attempt to make myself nonpartisan, but the NDP time and time again have policy initiatives that I can't say I disagree with, and Mulcair seems incredibly competent, responsive, and willing to cooperate with the House to get things moving in a better direction.

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    1. I hope they never take those idiots seriously. They clearly don't understand basic economics.

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  7. Socialism - Ideas so great they have to be forced on you!

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  8. I haven't had kids because I can't afford to have them right now. Why would I want to pay for someone else to have them?

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    1. Didn't you know because you exist you have to help everyone because democracy says so? Just listen to the socialists. They know what is best for everyone.

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    2. Between my husband and myself we paid over $20,000 in taxes last year. I don't receive OSAP because we're just over the cut-off line. How much of your education have we funded? Or your doctor's appointments and hospital visits? Or your tax breaks for being a student? Or for renting? Just because you don't need something now, doesn't mean you never will.
      Oh and just as an aside: It cost almost twice as much to put our 2 children in day care as it does to pay our rent. I know couples with 2 kids who clear $100k a year, and have family members take care of their kids because of these prices.
      I pay for plenty of crap that I don't use, through taxes, yet you don't hear me complaining about paying for it.
      It's a 2-way street you know.

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    3. 8.b are you saying because you're forced to pay for my things, of which I don't want you too. That I can't complain about being forced to accept them or pay myself? Also I guarantee my parents have paid more in taxes than they have consumed in services.

      Good job drinking the Kool-Aid.. here, educate yourself:
      http://www.learnliberty.org/

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    4. 8c if that's all that you took from my post than you really need to learn reading comprehension. I have no problem paying taxes if it will help my fellow citizens get ahead. Many of our social programs are to help people that find themselves in situations they didn't expect when planning for the future.
      You make a very weird statement about me paying for your things, "which you don't want me to."
      Whether you don't want me to, or do want me to, is irrelevant. If you're collecting or benefiting out of anything that's paid for by taxes than your point(?) is already lost.
      Also, my parents have paid a lot in taxes as well, what's your point? My husband and I have as well. In my opinion these taxes have benefited many of my fellow Canadians + myself.
      Also, on a final note: I find people that tell others "to stop drinking the Kool-Aid" are sipping from some pretty potent shit themselves. Libertarians love to wax and wane about the utopia we could partake of, if only the big, bad, government would up and die, yet are the first to throw a shit-fit, when the government doesn't step in on a situation that is affecting them adversely. (Case in point: Rand Paul and his posse in relation to the Ebola situation in the US).

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    5. How does the fact that I'm benefiting from things I'm not pro-actively engaging in make my point irrelevant? Let me make an analogy for you. "I was forced to have sex with a stranger, and that stranger was held at gun point too, therefore the stranger is a rapist". Does that make it clear? I'm not asking for these benefits, I don't want it at all. Just because people use services you force them to purchase doesn't mean they can't complain about the service.

      Also Rand Paul isn't a libertarian, he's a conservative through and through. Good job misunderstanding an entire political ideology. You should probably stop engaging in politics since you're so uninformed.

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    6. Rand Paul identifies as a Libertarian under the Conservative umbrella. I understand Libertarianism just fine.
      Nice job resorting to personal attacks. I will continue voting please and thank you, as is my right as a Canadian citizen.

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    7. Rand Paul is a tea-partier if anything. Stop trying. Learn the positions of a libertarian. He doesn't fit.

      Yes, please continue to buy into the lie that you have the right to control others lives.

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  9. I don't drive so why should I pay for highway maintenance? My parents funded my education so why should I pay for post-secondary grants/bursaries? I've never been unemployed so why should I pay into employment insurance? I've never committed a crime so why should I pay for police services? I've never been hospitalized so why should I pay for health care? I've never had to go hungry as a child so why should I pay for breakfast programs? I never...

    We pay into services to best support the social/economic/physical health of everyone living in our community and country. Sometimes we don't directly benefit.

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    1. Thank you so much for writing this. People balk at the word "Socialism" because they've been told it's akin to the bogeyman that's hiding under your bed, just waiting to steal more of your hard-earned money. They don't know how they're benefiting from it every day, but I guess as long as they get "theirs" screw everybody else.

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    2. You're all missing the point. It's not about screwing others. There's two parts to it. 1. People should have a choice in what they want to purchase or donate. The world doesn't need to be "organized" by government. We have these things called free market. They're for communicating the needs and abilities of a society. 2. The government will never do anything more efficiently than could be done in the voluntary sector. Every time the government does something it takes those resources away from the rest of the industries. 3. Socialism has been tried and there are hundreds of books debunking it. Not to mention the plethora of history which supports the fact that the liberty a civilization enjoys the faster it progresses. So please, next time your worried about inequality think about how your actually slowing down humanity because you're jealous someone else is progressing faster than you. Socialism is only good for spreading misery, capitalism lifts everyone up.

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    3. If you really cared about people you would open the borders and end wars. Not worry about your precious "social programs". Freedom is out best bet to achieving a sustainable society and planet. Remember, 100 years ago the average person spent $5 on healthcare. You can thank capitalism for improving your life and your future kids lives.

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    4. Capitalism has been tried as well, and there are many economists that are coming out against trickle-down economics, and a totally free-market. Adam Smith and his invisible hand are both the biggest crock of shit that you could buy into. Give me just one example, in the last 15 years where a totally free market which had regulations completely stripped from it, worked the way it should have according to Smith. (There are plenty of failures to choose from).

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    5. Please tell me of your knowledge of "trickle-down economics", you must be so wise; except for trickle-down isn't a real economic concept you dolt. Please educate yourself before you become politically engaged. Don't vote since you probably don't understand the issues. Also we do have free-markets. Ever seen a grocery store? That's a free market, lots of choice there in the cereal isle. You're welcome.

      How come capitalism much prove itself yet socialism has killed millions and slowed down civilization for decades and never has to prove anything? Capitalism is the natural state of humans, we only build government because some people think they need to control others. How about you prove how socialism will improve things first? Oh right, it doesn't! Please point to me where central planning didn't result in shortages or price increases? (Canadian Dairy, Healthcare, Education, Electricity, Alcohol)

      http://www.learnliberty.org/videos/why-is-higher-education-so-expensive/

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    6. You can not be serious. Let's see: What caused the recession? Hint: it sure as shit wasn't Socialism. What about the health care fiasco in the U.S.? Please give me one example where "Socialism has killed millions."
      Also, the last time I checked, Grocery stores are still regulated to some extent. They have to put nutritional values on the products, as well as expiration dates among other things. Yes, then people can choose between products and prices which is a free-market. However are you seriously suggesting that the government shouldn't be regulating those examples I just gave? If not the government, then who?

      I don't need to prove that Socialism improves people's lives, as I just need to compare the U.S. health care system versus our own. There's no way people should be dying or going bankrupt in a supposedly developed country because they can't afford health care. I'll be the first to admit that Canada's health care is far from perfect, but at least it's something that we can work with and improve on.
      I never said Socialism is the be all and end all. I'll give you the Dairy (and the Wheat Board). However, I disagree on Health Care, Education and Electricity. I'm uniformed on alcohol, and so have no opinion. I believe that Socialism and Capitalism can work together each tempering the other. (What a novel concept).

      Finally, "trickle-down economics" might not be a "real economic concept" (I truly wouldn't know), except for the fact that that's what our economic system seems to revolve around. How many handouts do big companies get almost daily? Isn't that a form of welfare, and, one could argue, Socialism? How many tax breaks do small businesses get in order to help them create jobs, among other things. Again Socialism, as it's for the supposed common good.
      Also: Please don't hurl insults at me. If you can't debate like an adult then don't bother responding. Thanks much.

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    7. "3. Socialism has been tried and there are hundreds of books debunking it. Not to mention the plethora of history which supports the fact that the liberty a civilization enjoys the faster it progresses."

      This is complete bullshit. Look at how much Rome advanced under the dictatorship of Julius Caeser, or Nazi Germany under Hitler. Almost every major power prior to the common era were dictatorships.

      Government intervention is what keeps our roads built, our people safe, and our economies stable. To say otherwise is idiocy.

      Why should I pay for the countries roads if no-one else wants to? I'm sorry to say but humanity is not selfless, and unless we're in small tribal groups, libertarianism will not work.

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  10. "What caused the recession? Hint: it sure as shit wasn't Socialism."
    It exactly was socialist policies and central planning. Here you can even see it be predicted!
    https://www.libertariannews.org/2011/06/12/watch-ron-paul-precisely-predict-the-real-estate-bubble-in-2001/

    "If not the government, then who?"
    The companies themselves and third party regulators. Ever seen how engineering firms ensure everyone is working to spec? They require certification and audits by independents.

    "U.S. health care system versus our own", horrible example. The US healthcare is botched by government interventionist policies created in WW2. The US system is just as regulated as Canada, hell they even spend more on it per-capita then us. I would suggest you study why the US healthcare system is so bad. Here's a link to start:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/03/the-myth-of-the-free-market-american-health-care-system/254210/

    "our economic system seems to revolve around" Our economic system is known as crony-ism. It's basically when government is bought by corporations (lobbying) to keep competition out and increase regulations.

    "How many handouts do big companies get almost daily?" A ton and it's disgusting. The government shouldn't give anyone money. Those are forms of socialization or market interference; basically the opposite of voluntarism that I'm advocated.

    I apologize for the insults. Just annoying when people have such strong beliefs one topics they don't know much about.

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