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QUESTION: What's the biggest joke of a program at UW?

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  1. economics...lololol..that's a joke.

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    1. I'm not an econ student or anything but my roommate is. Have you seen upper year econ courses? Shit like econometrics is far from easy

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    2. 2a) it's arts faculty....you dont get a job with arts faculty...what would you do if you finished your undergrad in econ in the faculty of arts? I'll tell you...it goes along the lines of "would you like fries with that?

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    3. 2b stop being obtuse. It's sad that you think a BA means nothing. You might have to start small with an entry level business analyst job, but that doesn't mean you can't work your way up. Plus, there's always the grad school option, and the few friends I know in econ are doing just fine.

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    4. This goes out to @2 & 10.
      I used to think the way you guys did..
      I've cooped/interned at Bank of America Merrill Lynch, Credit Suisse, Laurentian securities and Dundee capital markets. I can tell you a lot of the investment bankers and analysts all hold economics degrees. Economics ranks 3rd among what degrees the worlds millionaires hold. Arguably the best analysts and invest bankers in the world all have econ backgrounds whether that be a bachelor or masters. Buffet and Trump are two billionaires with econ backgrounds; just two off the top of my head. Not to mention Buffet is considered one the greatest investors ever. Benjamin Graham the father of value/alternative investing, also father of financial analysis is an economist. David Chilton an amazing Canadian investor and the author of the Wealthy Barber is a Laurier economics grad. List goes on. Both my dad and grand pops are economic undergraduates and both work as analysts. Yes keep in mind it takes hard work and nowadays networking to do well but the same goes for any degree. I'm personally a double degree but had I realized the opportunities econ opens up in the investment/analyst world before..I definitely would have gone that route. Always thought it was a joke, never listen to my grandpops or pops. Realized it was a great degree when I started networking and cooping. It also opens up many routes for government work as well; at all levels of government and The Bank of Canada. Policy makers and lobbyists. The list goes on for career prospects dude. The opportunities are amazing if you put the effort into it. Sure it may be hard to get a job with solely an economics bachelor if you're an average student but the same can be said with most degrees. If your work hard and make the right connections an economics degree can take you far. Don't bash if you don't know shit. My 2 cents..

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    5. Economics is so boring...

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    6. A lot of the economics students in 2nd year are stupid. (1st year you aren't even technically considered economics because you can't declare it till you finish 1st year anyway). Second year, whether it be after 2A or 2B is when most of the retards get kicked out. Upper year econ is tough shit.

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    7. @2d you fucking dumbass
      No one is saying that Economics is a waste program. An economics degree from Harvard or Yale (or even UofT or Mcgill) will get you places, but one from Waterloo couldn't even get you a job to suck dick at a mediocre IB.

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    8. 2g lmfao you're a joke. uw has one of the best econ programs in the nations

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    9. 2h....are you on crack? Best econ programs in the nation? Even ahead of UofT, Mcgill, Western, and Laurier? No, no, no and no. And that's just a sample in Ontario. I'm sorry, but 2g is right on this. And it's unfortunate. I feel like the program has no recognition because the econ program at UW is in the arts faculty.

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    10. @2i You really think our econ program is behind Western and Laurier? Just because the program is under a different faculty doesn't mean it is inferior.

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    11. It is light years behind Western, and quite a bit behind Laurier. This should shut you up
      http://ideas.repec.org/top/top.canada.html
      http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2013/economics-and-econometrics?loc=Canada&field_ranking_scores_889126=0.5&field_ranking_scores_889131=0.3&field_ranking_scores_889136=0.1&field_ranking_scores_889141=0.1&custom_ranking=&save_my_rankings_data_sort=4%2Cdesc%2C1&save_my_rankings_data_limit=50&save_my_rankings_data_search=&save_my_rankings_data_start=0

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    12. UW econ doesnt even crack the top 10 in Canada...or the top 200 in the world. There you go. Sorry to tell you

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    13. @2G.
      2D here. You got a point, I was defending econ in general. I have no idea how UW's econ is personally. Laurier's is also good; got a few friends in that program who got IB jobs through their coop. No need to be a hostile bud

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    14. Laurier's econ is arts as well but it's collaborative with their business school. That's why it's a good program

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    15. @2M
      2G here. No hate meant, your post was so long I just thought you were some guy in UW Econ trying to justify it. Economics as a field is actually really interesting and if I wasn't in the program I'm in now I would be studying economics (not at UW though lol).

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    16. 2i - last time I checked, McGill wasn't in Ontario.

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  2. I agree with 2. If you cant do econ, you're probably retarded.

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    1. Just because econ 101 and 102 are really easy courses doesn't mean the upper year courses are easy as well; econometrics courses are not that easy.

      INB4 "Well ECON421 wasn't as hard as PMATH800 therefore it is super easy and you are dumb if you didn't get 100% huehuehue"

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  3. def rec and leisure. maybe speechcom

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  4. Knowledge Integration.

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    1. KI students always say they are the best of the best, but I have never met one who is actually smart.

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    2. @6b I've never met one who claimed that, they're usually pretty chill but just don't know what they want to do with their life.

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  5. Yeah cause what we need is more people thinking that their programs are better than others.

    No program is a "joke". This school is full of self entitled assholes. Each program has valid applications to this screwed up planet, and when people start thinking they are higher or better than others, we end up back where we don't want to be.

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    1. -100
      Enough with this bullshit equality. Some programs are better than others - accept it.

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    2. Pls...Rec & leisure = math/eng? LOL

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  6. Nano. All the work of an engineering program but all the job prospects of a science program. There's no design work whatsoever, they just force-feed you theory, essentially making you useless in an engineering workplace. Its essentially just training for grad school in academia.

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    1. As a nano as well, I agree. However, I do actually want to go to grad school, so I don't mind at all. Besides, the people in it are awesome :D

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    2. Damn you and your optimism 8.a! We don't have room for anything but strict cynicism here in nano!

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  7. AFM

    - afm student

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  8. Economics. Waste. Of. Time.

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  9. psychology....No wonder why it has the phrase yolo in it.

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    1. um, more like ycholo...

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    2. Psych at UW's pretty top notch, actually. They have profs who went to stanford, Princeton, Cornell, Harvard... and they do a shit ton of research
      https://uwaterloo.ca/about/what-we-do/rankings

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  10. Oh boy...this thread is right up RL's ally. Boooooo RL! Don't post anything PLEASE!

    Sincerely, we all hate you,
    omguw forum

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    1. Which ally? My allies have no threads up their anything.

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    2. I hate you so much RL.

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    3. Good...good...let the hate flow through you...

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  11. Mechatronics Engineering or Act Sci probably

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    1. serious? that requires work...anything in arts doesnt...i vote arts and business

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    2. 13's trying to be funny

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    3. I dunno, Mechatronics is definitely a growing area in industry, but I worry that we really don't get enough of any one thing without a concerted effort when choosing tech. electives in 4th year. It's like "Hey, I dabbled in mechanical systems, electrical systems, and ...systems...systems... but I don't really have any full knowledge of any one of those like my program 'cousins.'"

      I'm 100% sure I'll do fine leaving here, don't get me wrong. But I worry sometimes. Especially at 4am when I should be asleep.

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    4. 13c, I know that feel. Nano is the same. We have a couple electronics classes, 1 bio class, 1 materials class (not including technical electives), and a bunch of calculus classes. As a result, engineers in other departments are miles ahead of us in any one thing, so we can't even be competitive with them for jobs that interest us.

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  12. Wtf. How are all the responses NOT rec and leisure.

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  13. Wtf. How are all the responses NOT rec and leisure.

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  14. I'm going to have to go with Rec & Leisure or Knowledge Integration haha

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  15. Pure mathematics. Useless shit.

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  16. not a program but PD courses. I hate PD courses. Everyone hates PD courses. Have I told you HOW FUCKING USELESS PD courses are?

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    1. Would you like to take shit like "Ethics and Corporate Responsibility" as a credit course? People in other schools have to do that. Be glad PD gets it out of the way.

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  17. What econ courses did the people who say econ is a joke take? Econ 101, 102, 220, and 344 (the easiest ones)?

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    1. They're probably upper students from the math or engineering faculty. They take an econ class (usually a 1st or 2nd year class, maybe 3rd) and because they're already knowledgeable with regards to the math, the courses are easier for them. Econ students have a good grasp on the mathematical concepts required for their courses but not as good as the math or engineering students because they have had less math courses. This causes the math/engineering students to label anyone in econ as retarded when in reality the top econ students are still smarter than the engineers with shitty and average grades.

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    2. "[...] in reality the top econ students are still smarter than the engineers with shitty and average grades." -Citation needed.

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    3. Yeah, when our first year math courses are anti-requisites for second year econ... That sort of says something.

      And I highly doubt that comment about the grades. If you consider that the entry average for engineers and mathies is 10-15% higher than econ, I'd bet that the shitty and average engineers would be at least above average in econ.

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    4. 20c. Your first year math courses are antireqs for second year Econ math courses not the main economics courses. All that says is that you learned certain mathematical concepts earlier than others; it doesn't make you more intelligent. I agree with you that the average engineer (not including environment and management) would be above average if they were in an Econ program and that in general engineering students are likely smarter than economics students. That being said, someone with a 95 average in Econ is likely to be smarter than someone with a 75 average in engineering.

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  18. For those of you saying Rec and Leisure:
    it's not a joke of a program. without it, ALL OF YOU would not be provided with recreation opportunities that allow you to experience flow.
    it's an extremely useful program.
    I'm not saying that no other program is useful. all i'm saying is that rec is actually a good program. and we have extremely good professors, too. (e.g. Troy Glover, Leeanne Ferries, Brian Grimwood, Ron McCarville, etc.). well Ron isn't a prof anymore... but he's the associate dean. AND he comes out to our campfires, etc. can any other program say that they are as engaged with their professors and associate deans? I don't think so.

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    1. 21 is obviously defending his program...there there 21, keep telling yourself whatever you need to sleep at night. We will all witness you flipping burgers after your undergrad.

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    2. "AND he comes out to our campfires"

      Point proven

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    3. Uhm, what? There were just a bunch of reddit threads about students going out for lunch with the dean of math, and said dean and profs drink with students every term at pints with profs... This person is so full of shit, man. Just accept your program is a joke, that would say a lot more for your intelligence...

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    4. What the fuck does "experiencing flow" even mean??

      You trying to defend your program as being useful by using the fact that your associate dean comes out to campfires is just sad...

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    5. 21.a here....hahah. Valid point d. His defense is a joke...just like his program.

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    6. how does a campfire make a faculty less credible? I'm in CS, I wish my faculty had campfires!

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    7. ^ It doesn't, but how exactly does it make a program "useful"?

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    8. The replies to this post is toooo jokes im laughing soo hard

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    9. f: lol, you weren't asking for this answer, but the CSC "goes outside" every spring term. It includes a campfire. Lolz

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    10. experience "flow", I'm not trying to be mean and I respect all forms of knowledge but that is hilarious (as well as the campfire thing)

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    11. I'm not in rec and leisure, but while it may not be particularly difficult, it is useful in that it provides grads with job prospects in (obviously) recreation, tourism and leisure industries which are industries that are experiencing growth in Canada. It can also provide you with the knowledge to open your own business in those sectors. As to the "flow" thing, it may sound silly if you don't know what it is, but it is the heightened, focused state of mind that a person experiences when they are totally immersed in an activity which can be pretty much anything from skateboarding to hockey to cooking to playing FPSs.

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  19. UW is the only school where this much program bashing happens internally. Just because you're in a program with great career prospects doesn't mean you'll cut it in the real world when you graduate eh.

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    1. I sense butthurt. What program are you in?

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    2. probably the rec and leisure guy from the post above....Our dean comes to our campfires. That's why our program is useful to society!

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    3. 22 here. I'm doing my MEng ECE. I'm just not a immature kid like the rest of you seem to be. Get over yourselves, you're no more special than anyone else. Graduate first then talk about how great you are. You're not shit until you have that degree in your hands.

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    4. Fair point, but the condescending tone keeps me from agreeing with you.

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    5. No asking you to agree

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    6. It's because OMGUW is full of autistic engineers.

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  20. lol at AFM posts.
    I agree though.

    - an AFM student

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  21. definitely afm....you're paying 10k a term for a useless degree

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  22. REC and Leisure is definitely the most useless program ever.

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  23. CS and software engineering. Maybe not a joke now, but once all of your jobs get outsourced to China and India it will be.

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    1. Did you apply and not get in? ;)

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    2. Sure, if you want sub-par programmers that produce sub-par code that costs more to maintain and update than code produced by a real programmer.

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    3. 26.b. Doesn't realize autoworkers and manufacturing sector employees all said the same thing when they were first confronted with outsourcing.

      As long as it's cheaper, they'll take it.

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  24. From what I have seen, this is the only university with such high degree of program/faculty bashing. Our lack of school spirit and community makes me sad.

    Employers look for more than just your degree and technical skills. They look at your personality, soft skills, ability to learn quickly and leadership capabilities.

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    1. ^ What kind of employers? Engineers hire engineers, insurance companies hire actuaries, hospitals hire docs and nurses, all other firms pretty much hire CAs, software companies hire Software and CS. Whats left? And then you have Ibanking who wait for it also hire engineers.

      Technically there is no "hiring" potential from other programs. Unless the person has an entrepreneurship idea.

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    2. +1000

      People need to grow up and stop bashing the shit out of other faculties.

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    3. @27a: Yes, those are the majority of the personnel at those companies, but you know that software companies (for instance) need people for HR, design, marketing, PR, etc. too, right?

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    4. @ 27c yup. and yet the majority of graduates around the country every year are from programs that fill up HR, design, marketing, PR etc jobs.
      What happens? Too much supply and not enough demand baby. And that is why you're all unemployed and unemployable.

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    5. @ 27d: I think there's just more competition in those fields because hiring decisions are strongly biased towards soft skills when compared to technical jobs. However, that doesn't mean you can't get a good job with a Econ/Arts/Communications degree. There are people who are great at what they do in those fields, and companies need them in order to function. Regardless of what field you're in, you will be employable if you have the proper skill set. On the other hand, even if you have a degree in CS, you're still unemployable (or stuck with a bad job) if you can't code for shit.

      I noticed you assumed I'm in one of those fields. Nice try, but I'm in engineering.

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    6. @27a did you see a career powerpoint in grade 10 and assume those are the only jobs ever to exist? There are hundreds of thousands of other jobs in (GASP) other faculties, they just aren't as readily imagined since they aren't shoved in your face and well-known.

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    7. The problem is that most of the "other" faculties you mention don't have prescriptive degrees as far as employment is concerned. Like getting a BA in History doesn't qualify you a list of x jobs, but it doesn't make you unqualified. Actually, people with arts degrees do need to work harder, in a way, to find employment, because they need to find or create employment opportunities to suit their degree and personal knowledge. Someone with a CS degree or Econ degree, though, is much more restricted in the types of jobs they can do, in some regards. There are of course many exceptions, but as a general rule this holds.

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    8. # 27 here.

      Someone in the forum mentioned that a degree is what you make of it. I am an economics major but I have been teaching myself how to code on the side. I've been teaching myself how to use VBA, Bloomberg, and many others programs so that I have technical skills. I've been a president of some clubs here so I can improve my leadership skills. I have worked on couple of projects for these clubs so I can improve my project management skills.

      I understand that I'm not as highly qualified as a engineer or a computer science major but at the end of the day if you can't communicate any of those skills to an employer, they won't hire you. These skills are important but how you present them is equally as important when finding employment.

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  25. I'm not asking you to agree

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  26. A degree is what you make of it. I went into mine fully knowing that to do what I want I would need graduate school. If your expectation is to get a Bachelor's and go straight into making around $90, 000 a year then yeah a lot of the programs mentioned here are not going to cut it. That doesn't mean that they are joke programs, but it they don't teach you marketable skills that are useful right after grad. Some degrees need a higher level of "creativity" to be useful.
    tldr: I don't really know what I'm saying, something about people not expecting their degree to make them successful.

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  27. rec and leisure. what a joke....imagine if someone failed that? I could donate half my brain and still be successful in that program.

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    1. if I only had a brain.

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    2. ^ you mean half a brain for rec and leisure students.

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    3. You go do that. Donate that half of your brain, only thing is, I'm not sure if anyone wants a brain like yours full of demeaning thoughts.

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  28. This school is full of righteous assholes. Why does evil come to rest at UW?

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    1. dingadingaling! shoot me with a string!

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  29. What is wrong with Knowledge Integration?

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    1. It seems like a general degree that you enrol in when you're not sure what you really want to do. I know people in it, and that's essentially what they tell me.

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    2. Yeah, the program is too broad. You do have to concentrate in a certain area, but in general you don't learn much of anything in the program. It's like taking a first-year course from every faculty, and a dozen or so upper year courses from one faculty.

      Source: I was in this program.

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  30. How did no one mention Theological Studies?

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    1. Because, as much as I dislike it, there are lots of jobs for the religious

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  31. First year engineering students that think they are hot shit. Takes one to know one because I was one.

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  32. anything in environment

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    1. lol? you'd prob have a hard time building a city without it collapsing in one way or another.

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    2. ^i think that is more of an engineer problem than environment

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    3. Do you engineers jack off to yourselves in the mirror?

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    4. @36a, don't confuse planning with strict environment-oriented studies. They are not necessarily related programs beyond the obvious links, such as planners and ERS grads both being interested in waste-water management, just approaching it from different angles.

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    5. Are you talking about the whole faculty, or just the programs that are all about environment? The Planning and Geomatics programs actually have very little in common with the other environment courses. I don't know any planning or geomatics students that actually care about the environment. I know I don't, I am a fan of big oil, as long as they keep paying me the amounts that they do.

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    6. Geomatics has great high-paying job opportunities right out of graduation, UW has one of the premiere planning programmes in Canada, ERS and geography grads can get jobs working in fields like environmental protection and monitoring, working for Env Canada, urban and commercial forestry, etc. Not the hardest programmes out there, but useful in society and for grads.

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  33. I'm going to have to agree with people saying AFM, 9000+/term is ridiculous considering the amount of other programs at other schools you could have gone into to get to same place. Plus, Brock has its own MAcc program now and is supposedly better geared towards the new CPA designation whereas waterloo's masters program is undergoing some sketch modifications/transitions. Do they even know what they're doing? A lot of students are so confused in this transition stage.

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  34. Wow, reading all these comments makes me hate UW. A school full of haters. You all need to seriously learn how to express opinion without being rude and using foul language. A degree (from ANY faculty be it arts, math, science or anything) doesn't mean anything if you don't know how to communicate properly.

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    1. Lets meet up and do happy loving things together. This school is so mean. It makes me sick.

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    2. Is this your first time on the internet?

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  35. Lets. All those "math loves science, arts loves engineering" orientation chants doesn't do justice to this sort of faculty rivalry. Disappointed.

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    1. lol<3 oh orientation love

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  36. Computer Science

    - CS student

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  37. This is why every school picks on us, because we pick on each other.We allow this discrimination to hurt everyone in our community. The administration at this school turns a blind eye to anything involving faculty or student relationships, because they're scared to admit that its a serious problem here.

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    1. Really though? If health studies was abolished, do you think it would be a good idea?

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    2. what do you think?

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    3. A little extreme to just abolish a program..

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  39. Mods, stop posting shit like this.

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    1. I agree. MODs are really pissing me off this term with the kind of shit they allow through. I'm all for freedom of speech and expressing opinions but this is just encouraging people to be self righteous assholes.

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    2. Hey 45a, I'd rather read this stuff than another "hay guise how do i sex" question.

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    3. I agree though. Threads like these just cant end well

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    4. Yeah, they're letting in posts obviously meant to stir up hate.

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  40. People have to stop equating the relative ease of a programme with its usefulness. You can take a 5 week truck driving course then immediately go on to make $50/hour in northern Alberta. That's super easy and somehow still useful at the same time. The usefulness of a programme is also completely subjective. Someone might take history, for example, because they actually like it, not because they're necessarily going to have a $90k/year job with benefits a week after graduation. Not everyone is motivated by money or are coerced by their parents to go into specific programmes. I don't understand why some people are so insecure that they feel the need to go around shitting on other people's programmes to get some false sense of superiority.

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    1. No one hates on people in arts because arts itself is stupid. We hate on them because they're too dumb to study arts at a respectable institution.

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    2. @46 I like you. 46a I knew someone in Arts who took calculus as an elective and got a higher mark than I did (I'm in science). He could easily be in any other program but he liked being in Arts because it had more freedom of course selection and he didn't care about the label of his degree. Your comment is pretty ignorant. There are many reasons why somebody chose to study Arts in UW, co-op, location, they liked the atmosphere, etc. I don't see why UW isn't respectable.

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      >science
      That's not saying much.

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    4. @46c
      What, now science kids aren't smart either?

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    5. @46b
      Is calculus as an elective supposed to be an accomplishment?
      Also, who cares about someone's reasons for being in a shit program? They don't earn respect (or avoid being viewed as inferior).

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    6. @46d
      LOL of course not.
      They're way below engineering and cs on the hierarchy.
      If you wanted to study science you'd go to UofT.

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    7. omfg
      I hate this website so much, you're all a bunch of fucking assholes

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    8. Grad physics at UW is regarded better than grad Engineering btw. But overall I agree with 47, who cares - live and let live.

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    9. +1 47 and 46h. This site/university is full of morons.

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    10. @46h: Undergrad physics is definitely not at the same level as our grad program though. It was sort of sad taking Quantum 1 and watching all of the Physics majors die due to their crap linear algebra background. Amath does a better job with many of the more advanced topics, such as later year quantum courses and general relativity, and the profs are also better, at least from my experience.

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    11. 46e - Have you considered that some people don't base their decisions upon whether those decisions will garner your respect and admiration? You need to get out into the real world where, apart from employers, no one gives a shit about what you studied in university. I know people in some of the so-called 'respectable' programmes who I have no respect for and I know people who are in some of the 'less respectable' programmes or who didn't go to university at all who I hold in very high regard (and vice versa). It's not as though once you get your engineering degree you also get a little certificate that declares that you have now earned everyone's respect. If you're an annoying little loser now chances are that once you graduate you'll just be an annoying little loser with a degree.

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    12. lol 46.e thinks his/her degree will earn them success. That's cute--is that what you're mommy told you when you were little? "Sweetie I'll love you only when you're a *insert "respectable" profession here". Do the world a favour and never have kids. I don't care what you're studying--you deserve 0 respect for thinking like that.

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  41. @46f

    Hierarchy? Wow you're a fucking loser.
    I could never sit around and do biology or physics. I'd probably do shit in it for my lack of interest and because it's not what I'm used to. Just because I'm in engineering and not science doesn't mine I'm higher on some fucking hierarchal scale
    - engineering student

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  42. Correct me if i'm wrong but i'm almost 200% sure that as far as employers, the dean of UW, and all sensible people of the world are concerned, UW is just Engineering and Cs. Every other program is just fluff.

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    1. So you're saying everyone other than Engineering or CS can't get jobs and wont be successfuf? You're saying there isn't any money put into any other programs? I don't understand your logic.

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    2. 48 is on the money, but I think it's eng, cs and math.
      And 48.a, maybe if you were in eng or cs you would be able to understand the logic :)

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    3. @48b Logic gets you from A to B, but imagination takes you everywhere else.

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    4. @48c: The only issue with that is that a technical degree makes it much easier to turn imagination into cool shit that makes money.

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    5. @48b so I'm going to be a failure because I'm in Chemistry?

      BTW, I just got into pharmacy. I know I'm going to be successful. A friend of mine is on their way to grad school who's in psychology. My sister wants to get into optometry and is in biology here. I think you're the delusional ones. Math, eng, cs may be successful, but aren't the only successful people at UW.

      Also, your attitude is shit. I welcome you to display it with friends, family, employers and see how far that gets you and how likeable you are.

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    6. @48e: Define successful. $60k/year?

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    7. @48f
      I'm not 48e, but you're completely missing the point, asshole. But are you suggesting people who excel in pharmacy only make 60k a year? Not to mention success isn't only by salary.

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    8. @48g Who's to say 48e will excel in pharmacy? The average person earns -surprise - an average salary. I don't think 60k is that far off for a starting pharmacist.

      As for success, I personally don't measure it by salary either; that would whittle life down to little meaning. In our context though, we can assume we're talking about career success, which I'm pretty sure is measured in salary/clout.

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    9. @48e
      Sure, math/eng/cs aren't the only ones who are successful here, but guess what? They're so much more likely to be that it's not even funny.

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    10. I would want to kill myself everyday working in CS/math/eng, so thats far from successful IMO, but I'm sure it's enjoyable for others.

      I'd rather take the chance and do something I know I'll excel and enjoy rather than get a degree because it'll land me a job 100%.

      So everyone needs to STFU and stop comparing their programs. You're lucky if you like cs/math/eng and get a degree in it, but it's not for everyone.

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    11. Holy fuck. Are people here really this fucking stupid? Look, UW's administration plugs STEM programs like no tomorrow, and because of that, it's pretty much all that the public associates with UW. But mostly that's because all the MONEY is in STEM programs, and the university likes money. Plus ignorant parents and youth alike somehow think that a STEM degree guarantees them success, so admin plays into this skewed public perception and promotes its STEM programs.

      I'm not criticizing STEM programs at all, but there are tons of very well respected programs here in other areas. Several departments in the Arts faculty are world-class(not the same as saying best in the world, just among the better ones in the world), but because of limited earning potential from these departments, it isn't widely known.

      Once people stop equating the quality of a degree with post-graduation earning potential, this senseless argument will stop. A university degree is worth more than a pay-cheque if you want it to be, but if that's all you care about, then you're never going to understand why people study areas that don't max their earning potential.

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    12. @48k what other programs are well respected in UW o.o (I'm honestly curious)

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  43. FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT! Boy I'm glad I asked this question and started this post. Also, I hate RL!

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